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Bacc Rules [Sep. 10th, 2011|10:11 am]
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After playing Clayfield for almost a year, I finally decided to write down the rules I use for my Bacc. I've played it with modified rules from pennysims 's journal and added or removed some rules to make it more suiting to my playing style. My rules are quite free and there's room for creativity so here they are:

Starting Out:

- Start with a new, empty neighborhood terrain. It may be a Eaxis pre-made or custom, or you can download a custom Neighborhood from sites like MTS.

- Create a random number of settlers (use the dice, random integrer or just decide by yourself from 1-6 families: either single sims or couples) to start populating your city. You can use any kind of sims, meaning that also downloaded sims are allowed. Or you can make your settlers yourself. Your settlers can look however you want them to look, so get creative! ;) Settlers can have any aspiration and personality you choose.

- In order to make progress you'll need to have a mayor in your hood. This can be a CAS sim or a sim you've downloaded. The Mayor is there to collect taxes and optionally be also the banker of the city. Mayor can work at home or you can build a City Hall for them.

- Adding CAS sims goes by the same rules as in the original challenge: from every owned business lot you'll get an option to add new CAS playable to your hood.

- You must play each family the same amount of sim-days. It doesn't matter in what order you play them, but they must age in sync.
Tip: To help keeping track of days, you can use synctimer hack from MATY (link at the end of this page)

- Houses: You can build them yourself or use pre-build houses, no restrictions here :) Of course, building from scratch is always encouraged.

- Community lots: Same as with residential lots. However, community lots must be owned by playable sims (with couple of exceptions,see below). So your sims may only visit owned community lots.

Exceptions: You are free to add a un-owned grocery store or kiosk to your hood if you have a sim who runs a similar store. This is because the owner of grocery store can't buy groceries from their own store (stupid, I know!). This un-owned shop is only for that family, all other playables must buy their food from the owned business lot.
The other exception is the Fire Station, more info in Career rules.

- In the beginning you cannot use services by phone, with the exception of Pet Adoption Center and Taxi. So no pizza, chinese food, maids, repairmen, butlers etc. Using a nanny is only allowed if there's absolutely no other way of preventing kids from being taken by social worker. Also calling the Police or Fire Department are allowed only if you do one or both of the following actions:

1. Have a playable sim who sells fire or/and burgular alarms at their business (on a community lot, so you can take other playables there)
2. Build a community lot for the profession (Police Station and Fire Station, more about these community lots in Careers)

Note: Alarms can only be bought from a playable business lot, not from the buymode!

You can create custom townies in CAS, spawn them with testingcheats or add downloaded sims as townies. If you want to, you can also use Eaxis townies (known as the Pleasantview townies such as Benjamin Long, Goopy and the gang). Full freedom here too! ;)

- No standard Eaxis careers! This means that your sims have to make money either by owning businesses, craft items, dig for treasure, grow products, fish, paint or have any other non-standard jobs. Use your imagination! :) You can also use few custom careers, which can be found at MTS (link below): stay-at-home parent and Base Game's NPC careers (such as a firefighter, police, social worker etc.). However, these are exceptions and can be used only according to these rules:

1. Stay-at-home parent career can be used at any time. It's especially helpful is your single sim gets pregnant and doesn't have their own business yet.
2. Base game's NPC careers can only be used, if you build a community lot for the career. For example, in order to have a sim working as a fire fighter you must build a Fire Station! The Fire Station doesn't have to be an owned community lot, but Police Station has to be either owned business or residential lot (that's the only way you can keep prisoners in your jail). There can only be 1 playable per NPC career.

Tips about Police Station: Build the Police Station with a jail by using Inge's prison hacks (link below). Make atleast couple of cells for burgulars and playables who refuce to follow the law. When you are playing the Police Station lot, you can sentence all the burgulars that got cought.

- Each playable child and teen must go to public school. You must build a school house and make it as an business lot. To do this, use Inge's school hacks and objects (link below). You can be as creative as you want with the school, as long as you make sure there's a classroom for gradework, food and skilling objects...And don't forget the bathrooms!
Public school is funded either by tax money or by a loan from the City Bank and by the Business Reward Grants.

- Only kids from wealthy families can attend to Private School. Private school has to be an owned business lot, just like Public school. You can decide what kind of payments parents have to make for the Private School owner.

- Adding University requires that your city can build one. Which leads us to the rules about...

Funding subhoods and institutions:

Adding subhoods requires tax funds. Here are an example of the amounts:

University = 100 000§
Shopping District = 150 000§
Downtown = 200 000§

- You can add BV hoods at any time. Use Eaxis pre-made's or create your own!
- If you choose to use the Uni in Main hood-mods (links below), you can "spend" the 100 000§ by building/adding Uni community lots worth of 100 000§.
- Community lots at campus don't have to be owned business lots, but if you have a sim who's willing to run a campus business (such as a café for YA's), you are free to try that. (currently in playtesting)

Institutions (optional):

Retirement Home = 50 000§
Orphanage = 30 000§
Teen Center = 35 000§

Orphanage (optional):
The social worker at the Orphanage can be a playable or semi-playable (played only when needed) sim. You can build or download a house for this purpose. The Orphanage is funded by the City (=tax refunds and donations, plus a child bonus: 200 § / baby or toddler, 300 §/ child and 400 §/ teen). Payments will be send from the City funds once a week/round.

The children coming to the orphanage can be added by spawning them with Tombstone of L&D. You can also set your own rules for playable sims giving babies up for adoption, if the pregnancies are unwanted (for example: if your sim doesn't roll a want to have a baby before they give birth, if the pregnancy is resulted by risky woohoo or alien abduction, or if a teen gets pregnant (Inteen). You will have to keep the Orphanage in sync with the rest of the families (play with it the same amount of days as rest of the households). Children aged up at the orphanage (teens-adults) may be turned into townies or you can make let them join the rest of the playables the same way as new CAS sims.

If a playable sim or couple wants to adopt, you can invite or spawn them to the lot and let them interact with their potential child/children. When it's time to adopt, use Sim Blender (or similar hack object) to give the child up for adoption. Then make the parent/parents call to the adoption agency (by phone Services > Adoption Center) and the child they chose will come to the lot with a social worker. Your sim's want to adopt/have a child will be fulfilled and the child will get new family ties and the family last name.

(Tip: use TwoJeff's Have/adopt child want fix -mod which lets your sims to fulfill their "Have a baby" want by adopting and "Adopt a baby" want by having a biological child)

Teen Center (optional):
Teen Center is an optional place for you to move in orphans, who have aged up to teens in the Orphanage. Teen sims can live there with the social worker, go to work after school and build their skills. The social worker has to be either adult or elder, made in CAS or moved in from a playable household.

Teen Center is funded by the City (=tax refunds and donations, plus a teen bonus: 400 §/ teen). Payments will come from the City funds once a week/round.

You will have to keep the Teen Center in sync with the rest of the households. Teens aged up to YA's or adults at the TC may be turned into townies or you can make let them join the rest of the playables the same way as new CAS sims.

Retirement Home (optional):
Build it your own or download a house. This will be (obviously) a residential lot. You can have a Manager who lives with the elders or elders can live there by themselves. If the elder is living with their family before going to Retirement Home, family members must pay 5 000 § per elder to the City in order to move their elder(s) in. Otherwise moving into Retirement Home is free.

The retirement household will pay taxes just like any other households in the hood. The institution is funded by donations from the community (individual sims who have loads of extra cash) and 500 § per elder at the end of every week/round from the city funds.

Elders living in retirement home can continue crafting, painting, fishing etc. but it should be done as a hobby, not just to make money, and they can't own businesses or work as employees on other business lots. This is a RETIREMENT home after all!

If your elder sim owns a business, you can make them turn it over to younger relatives or sell it back to the community before they come to the retirement home or soon after. If an elder sim sells their business to the community, the money must be directed to the City funds.


Studying at the university costs YA's 1 000§ per year (500 § per semester = total of 4 000§ for the whole 4 years). This money goes to the city funds. Students living in dorm or their own houses/apartments will also have to pay taxes in every round. They can gain extra money by working at the cafeteria, DJ or by crafting, painting, fishing etc. They can also own their own businesses and gain funds for their college expenses that way.

Each household must pay taxes to the City bank (that is, the Mayor's) account. Use Monique's hacked computer to do this (link below). Taxes must be paid once a week/per round.
You can use these amounts or make your own.

An example of the tax amounts:
Household funds under 35K = 10% taxes
Household funds from 35K to 150K = 15 % taxes
Household funds over 150K = 20% taxes

Or you can use a tax form that I personally use : made by dallasindc  (HERE)

Helpful links:

Stay-at-home career by SassyTeffie at MTS
NPC Career Mega Pack by TashaFaun at MTS
Lot Sync Timer at MATY
School and prison hacks and objects by Inge Jones at Simlogical
Monique's hacked computer - updated at Insimenator.org
Mega College Pack by Squinge at Insimenator.org
Lion's Base hood University hack at MATY

If you have questions, don't be afraid to ask :) You may modify these rules however you please. The most important thing is to have fun!</div>

[User Picture]From: snapun
2012-08-07 12:56 pm (UTC)
I wanted to ask you about couple of things:
1. About that school hack - are those objects working at owned buisness lot?
2. All game careers have some rules about how to open a career to everyone. And I noticed in your hacks list that NPC Career Mega Pack which is very interesting. If there're any rules to open those careers, or they available to everyone without any restrictions?
3. And a small wcif, if you don't mind - these boxes, wcif them?
I started to re-read your bacc and it's so interesting and have so many ideas! Thank you!
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[User Picture]From: maranatah
2012-08-07 02:29 pm (UTC)
I'm happy to answer your questions :)

1. School hacks work on owned business lots, yes. In Clayfield, Roux owns the school lot which is a zoned as a community lot.
2. I don't have any rules about opening careers for my BACC, I find them too confusing for me. I assign careers from the NPC career pack to sims who are going to own a business lot that supports the career (e.g NPC Firefighter career for the sim who's going to own town's fire station). So basicly all the NPC careers are open to anyone, but the sim in question has to have something that fits for the career, like enthusiasm to clean (NPC Maid), maxed up gardening skills (NPC gardener) etc.
3. The wooden crates as OFB shelves are made by Leesester at MTS, HERE.

I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying my BACC updates. :) Feel free to use any of my ideas and rules in your game!
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[User Picture]From: snapun
2012-08-07 04:50 pm (UTC)
Thank you for answering! I got your position about rules for careers. I just prefer to follow the original rules, because, if I decide to create all themed community lots, like police station, fire station, post office, etc, it means to have tons of custom hacked things, which confuses me, I just don't conversant in all those things. It feels much easier to me to follow rules, like "3 robberies = 1 position in crime career", "5 rank ballet studio = 1 position in dance career" etc.
But school seems very interesting. But I still don't understand some details of how to keep it. I've made a building with 2 class rooms, bathroom and cafeteria. I bought those things like classroom bell, crowd controller, tokens. I made my sim a principal, then a teacher, summon few kids to school and press "start school". And now I can't get what should I do to make kids do their homeworks. I tryed few different options, but they just sitting and chatting with eachother. =_=
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[User Picture]From: maranatah
2012-08-07 05:55 pm (UTC)
You'll have to set the gradework times on the classroom bell/token, choose the days and times there. Remember that you need to have a classroom bell for each of the class rooms. And of course you'll need to have a gradework matt (the one with a pen) for each of the student. If you have set the gradework to specific times, the classroom bell automaticly makes students come and do their homework at the right time. You can also do it manually, just click the clock and select "Start gradework" or something similar (I don't have my game open now so I can't check it). I hope you get everything working soon! :)
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[User Picture]From: maranatah
2012-09-30 10:09 am (UTC)
You don't necessarily need to have them both, but they do compliment each other. Squinge's hacks will let your YA's live more regular lives in the main hood (live with their families, in apartments etc.), while Lion's hack lets you have uni community lots, greek houses and dorms in the main hood.

Edited at 2012-09-30 10:14 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: samethana
2013-01-06 11:04 am (UTC)
Hi, first of all, let me say that I really enjoy reading your bacc. You have so many neat ideas that you made me want to start one of my own :) I do have a couple of questions though, if you don't mind.

1. Do the mayor, teachers, orphanage workers etc get paid? And if so, how much?
2. I've built a city hall, school, police station etc as community lots. But now I'm wondering, does the sim (mayor, police chief, school principal,...) have to buy the lot or is it kinda 'donated' to him/her by the city?
3. About the taxes: I never get what people mean about household funds. Is it the money you see when in neighborhood view or is it the money you see while playing? Also, do they have to pay taxes on their businesses?

That's about it for now. I'd be grateful if you could give me a bit more insight on these questions :)
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[User Picture]From: maranatah
2013-01-06 01:13 pm (UTC)
Thanks for commenting! I'm happy to answer your questions. :)

1. Sims working in institutions and the Mayor won't get paid separately in my game, i.e don't have a salary. They live by the money that's been given as tax refunds, donations or business rewards, or by working in someone else's business. (Actually, now that you've asked that I'm very tempted to try setting them a real salary!)

2. All community lots have been bought by sims themselves, usually after taking a loan with Monique's computer. The Orphanage and Teen Center are exceptions (as well as the future Retirement home), those have been bought with the money from City funds. So basicly the mayor has transmited money to sims who are about to run those institutions, who then buy the lots.

3. I've always calculated taxes based on the simoleons seen in the neighborhood view. You can also count them while playing a home lot (funds seen in lower left corner + lot value seen in buy mode's upper left corner). That way you don't have to exit the lot to see the total household value. In apartments you can of course ignore the lot value entirely.
My sims pay taxes only from their home lots.

If there's anything else you'd like to know, just ask. :)

Edited at 2013-01-06 01:21 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: samethana
2013-01-06 04:51 pm (UTC)
Thank you for answering so quickly :) It all makes so much more sense now. I think I'm gonna stop fiddling with the hood now and just dive in to play.
About the salaries, I was originally planning on buying them another business so they could have an income (there are no kids yet, so the teacher doesn't have to work). When he/she gets married later the spouse can bring in the salary I guess, but I think I'm going to give the teacher a real salary when the school actually opens.
In the city hall I've made room for a small shop (souvenirs, postcards etc) so the mayor can sell those and earn an income that way. There's also a wedding hall, so maybe charging people money to use it could add to the income.
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[User Picture]From: maranatah
2013-01-06 05:15 pm (UTC)
If you're planning to let your other sims marry at the City hall and inviting guests to join, the ticket machine may become a problem. I used to charge sims from coming to the City hall, but I had to change it because all visitors/members of the outing group kept getting stuck outside with the ticket machines. While the happy couple were tieing the knot, the wedding party was still trying to decide if they even want to visit the lot or not. :P But it's definitely helpful to have something to sell there.

If you're planning to give updates from your Bacc, I'd love to see pictures! :)
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[User Picture]From: samethana
2013-01-06 05:22 pm (UTC)
Good to know about the ticket machine. I've actually haven't used it. I always forget about that thing :)
I'm going to try and post my bacc, but half of the time I forget to take pictures. I'm just starting out now, and fraps is running, so I'm off to a good start. Here's to hoping that I'll stick with it this time.
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